I used to carry a Walther PPQ. Dani: Victoria: I did find a workaround though. So old single actions have to be handled and loaded in a certain way to be carried safely. I can see no valid reason to carry a modern weapon in condition 3 as long as youre observant and safety conscious when holstering/re-holstering your weapon. A forum community dedicated to Glock firearm owners and enthusiasts. Discharge during take down? Safe and ready when I am. If carry my Glock its in a solid Crossbreed holster with one in the chamber. More solid irrefutable proof that the Glock is an accident waiting to happen. Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it?, And, again, absolutism that is far too easy to refute. In a SA revolver, the next round is instantly available anyway, whether fully loaded or one short, quicker out of the leather for the first, second, and third shot than any other existing action type. https://patents.google.com/patent/US5724759A/en. Now try looking up punctuation. The innovative design of the hybrid steel-polymer slide chambered in our first .22 caliber round provides a lightweight and low recoil functionality for optimal control. Who honestly gives a F*ck what someone else chooses to do. Try it. Since I do not carry(Los Angeles County), my handguns are ready very quickly. And thats only firearms. Maybe you just fumble finger the Glock when its out of the holster being put in a lockbox or on the counter at the range. A typing error, or wishful thinking? Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it? On the other hand, most other striker-fired pistols count on the recoil spring to cock the striker. . The Glock 19 is one of the most popular models of Glock that is available on the market. It was called Fractured Fairy Tales, The difference between you and me is I am real you live in a virtual reality world oh and btw dummy they dont call it Glock perfection for nothing, Your rants always remind me of that long ago cartoon show. Pray the gay away gov. silly? Sacrilegious. I always wanted to see in a western someone who knew he was about to get into a gunfight slip that 6th round into his Colt SAA. I have had cops point shotgunms and Rvolvurs at me, made me nervous, now their pointing Glocks at me, and that frightens me to the point of shaking. I'm not exactly a diehard with pistol-caliber carbines but I definitely enjoy them. If anybody could advise me, I'd be grateful. Think about Her all you Geniuses that sing the siren song of the Utopian world of Glock. Carrying any weapon with nothing in the chamber is carrying an unloaded weapon. PS: There was a 12 yo kid recently that subdued an attacker with a common socket wrench after Dad missed 39 times with a pistol. And, sorry youre a confused fool. Answer (1 of 104): For me. Because if youre smart enough to be worried about a Glock short trigger and trigger safety, youre probably smart enough to know you need to train so that your trigger finger is never in the trigger until the sights are on target, and you take the time to inspect your holster for obstructions before holstering or unholstering. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! It appears to me that Darwin and his theory of evolution is again being ignored, if you are dumb enough to carry without forethought, please ace yourself before you breed. I have trained chambering on the draw and while it is less effective I am still way ahead of the guy who doesnt carry. There are some days (summer, mostly) when I carry the Walther PK380. It may be injured or busy striking or holding back children, etc. All it takes is knowing what the word; inertia means. The Glock if it came under the Governments Consumer Safety Council would never have been allowed on the market. Place your loaded, chambered G19 into the holster (not attached to your belt). Yes. On paper? Its a toughy. Are Glocks safe to carry chambered? - Quora When the term "loaded" means a round in the chamber and you need to carry, either open carry or concealed, with an unloaded gun, training to be faster with your draw will be very important. Most 1911s come with a half cock safety, but again, you would have to ensure it was engaged properly and its prone to breakage. I assume it had something to do with its mechanics. . Mr Hoober, If you werent too busy arrogantly doubling down, you might consider trying it some time instead of pretending you know everything but I suppose you are probably more interested in getting audience engagement than giving good advice. JavaScript is disabled. You do what you gotta do or are allowed to do. Considering the odds of handling a particular weapon every day for years or possibly the rest of your life hoping to never have a brain fart in the process, and many people wisely choose another option. Im still a believer of an empty gun is just a club. It is a compact pistol that is chambered in 9mm and is designed for concealed carry. Whats the big deal? What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun, Mad says, What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. Same mental disability, but different symptoms. I for one dont want to take the chance of fumbling around with a gun trying to rack the gun under pressure. Now youve introduced a firearm where one might not otherwise have been involved, not to mention triggering the bad guys own sense of self preservation. Practice holstering and unholstering without a round and see if the trigger is pulled. The Glock 26 Gen 4 weighs approximately 25 ounces with a loaded magazine. I have for almost 40 years and have it properly holstered. this aint 1902 with a Colt .38 Long primitive revolver and you probably aint riding a horse in pursuit of cattle thieves. Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. Glocks have a blade in the trigger that is very light so that if the pistol is dropped, the inertia of the fall will not pull the trigger ( as the pistol is partially cocked). Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. I think the controversy is whether or not a loaded magazine with an empty chamber constitutes an unloaded gun. I still counted 16, but when he starts fanning it gets a little hard to keep track. If I have to carry a compact, its a DA only with no safety or one with the safety off. Like what would happen if the gun was dropped, and then lands on its muzzle. SOME of these guns (Ruger, Rough Rider, IWI, Freedom Arms, Linebaugh) have transfer bar safeties and thus can be carried fully loaded. It is generally safe to carry a Glock with a round in the chamber, as long as the user follows proper handling and safety protocols. Appendix carry, when performed with the right holster and a trained hand, is perfectly safe, and that includes your Glock 19 handgun. Mine, of course, is in the latter, and it's held up well to a lot of shooting. i carry mostly to counter the mass shooting incident the type of which where afterward everybody says if there had only been a good guy with a gun and i will more likely than not have time to draw the weapon and charge it while i get my ooda loop going. Heres how all of this bogus started. Of course all of those Glock NDs were due to human error. Time waits for no man, and neither do bad guys. I do same with shotgun the last round fired stays in the chamber. Lets talk about the internal safety features and the facts of why Glocks are great handguns.Jordy Bucks well worn Glock 20 is carried daily. By all means, carry what you are competent to handle effectively and safely. Thank you very much. After all, this aint Dodge City and you aint Bill Hickok. In war or a defensive situation, that will get you killed. 2 you may forget to chamber The round wouldnt even need to be in a chamber at all. There is no doubt about it. Of course my Smith .38 has EVERY chamber with a round in it. 1 - 20 of 30 Posts. My G19 pull is about 4-1/2# about the same as a lot of 1911 guns. in the 20th and 21st centuries, empty chamber is just retarded. Almost as good as a ball peen hammer. There are no Glock negligent discharges *without* the word *negligent* in the incident description. My opinion. Barnum should have said, There is a Moron born every minute so I guess I will have to say it for him. Point the holstered G19 downrange at a target and try to fire it without removing it from the holster. Apply the 21 foot rule with the holy glock with a round chambered (Im pretty sure that as I was at the Vatican admiring Michelangelos ceiling, it was definitely a glock God was passing to Adam in the famous reclining scene), I bet you you will still lose just as badly. That being said, I also carry a M&P 9mm with one in the chamber. Theres a problem with absolutism: youre proven wrong too easily. Sound off in the comments! The Israelis do it because they had to come up with a training procedure that worked for all their soldiers, including those that dont know which is the end that goes bang. A safety is much easier to manipulate than a slide though. Its your right to self defense. The gun is DA/SA, so the first shot is a long pull on the trigger, but I routinely practice it, so Im OK with it. Just old school geeze, too used to doing the hard chit the same way, but it worked for me. Not a bad plan. BTW.. Glocks have a 5.5lbs trigger pull so I doubt it will discharge from your love handle rubbing on it. Fat troll. Its an unnatural, metallic noise that spooked him instantly, and I missed the snap shot at a running target, and he was gone. The Top 10 Best Handguns for Carrying (Plus Two Extras, Just in Case) But youll likely carry for years and years, manipulating said weapon an uncountable number of times in the process. If one wishes to carry sans a round in the chamber. On Firefox for Windows, it just goes to the top of the page, but it will still get the newest comments. But, it has a decocker, so I can put a round in the chamber, decock the striker, and walk around with a much better feeling about it all. The answer is "yes." Milliseconds count. when I was in the Harris County, Texas courts, I saw many LEOs that had semi-auto pistols with one in the chamber and the hammer cocked and the holster strap between the hammer and the slide. oh yeahuhcarry what you like guys. One could write an entire book about just the intricacies of revolver internals, but no one would buy it, now that most dont even know what revolvers are. Want to vent about something? Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it.. This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. It will catch on and you will be a rock star! And an unloaded weapon does you no good if/when you need it. And I dont want to have to think about anything. One was carrying a single action revolver without a transfer bar safety in a holster, and one under the hammer. I recommend RTS Tactical for reliable, rifle-stopping options, Youre worth it. Of course theres a difference between driving and shooting. Nov 11, 2010 (Edited) Dingus said: To gain confidence, do this: Take your G19 and holster to the range. Does the Glock fire then? Frankly, most of us should be more concerned about our cholesterol anyway. Carry chambered? | Glock Talk As I commented after the previous article, carry so that all you have to do is draw and pull the trigger. 1 you many not have time to chamber. I made a folder called TTAG comments, and put all pages Ive commented on in there. Just saying. Why You Should Keep One Bullet in the Chamber. Keep your booger hook off the bang switch, use a good holster . But as Sam has pointed out, one needs to practice and I have. If you have a modern weapon in a holster that covers the trigger, you are in pretty good shape. Somewhat different than in rural MS tho, speaking as one who attended a full auto shoot at a local range about a month ago. Its like arguing Android is better than iOS. I dont believe anyone has the right to keep me from holding, using and appreciating these art forms. Length: 7.3. My wife carries her Beretta 92 loaded with the hammer down and the safety off so all she has to do is draw and fire; first shot DA and the rest SA. They didnt know. Glock firearms Instructor. Glock and carrying with chambered round | SIG Talk Big Bill: Yup. A round in the chamber | Glock Pro Forums It's a mental block you will have to outgrow. The Springfield Armory XD-E is a new hammer-fired compact pistol. Israeli special forces dont empty chamber carry. On Amazon, they run about $35 just sans the NRA stamped door. The Glock Model 48 slimline 9mm is a state-of-the-art fighting pistol with a small grip frame any cop can master. Do u know what the 21 foot rule is? You carry your way and Ill carry mine. This is especially true when it comes to the popular Glock line of handguns. Is It Safe To Carry A Chambered Glock - MonteneGroand Partners The trick is training is to do the right thing; doing the wrong thing is still training, just training the do the wrong thing. OthersI just didnt think about and for some pretty good reasons. Several years ago I read an article (I think it was Masaad Ayoob) detailing about a half dozen cases were cops had their guns taken away from them by perps and the perps couldnt figure out how to manipulate the safeties, saving the cops lives. Can You Shoot Aluminum Cased Ammunition In A Glock? Understanding The You may need your weak side arm to hold an attacker at bay while you draw, etc. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? While carrying or holstering? Absolutely YES!! Human brains arent too sure of themselves, and if an expected result does not occur, our brain responds by doing the action again, just to make sure it did it the first time. -John Muir. As if every act of negligence is a deliberate act. There was also some discussion of Fairbairn and Sykes experience in the Shanghai police with what is commonly referred to as Israeli carry. There are some inherent problems there. If all you do at the range is stand there at the bench, pick up your gun, lock the slide, insert the magazine, and press the slide stop to send the slide forward, then get on target to shoot, you're not training yourself right. The hammer snagged on a branch, and he shot his horse (he was twisted by the tree). Mad about covers it. Do you carry with your Glock chambered? | Glock Pro Forums THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY AND ONLY ONE WAY TO CARRY A GLOCK SAFELY AND THAT IS WITH AN EMPTY CHAMBER PERIOD AND THERE CAN BE ZERO ARGUMENT ABOUT THAT IF YOU ARE STILL IN CONTROL OF YOUR MENTAL FACULTIES AND NOT LIVING IN A NARCISSISTIC FANTASY WORLD OF GLOCK UTOPIA. In fact, it uses S&W Shield Plus magazines. So you think youre perfect look in the mirror clown I am not trying to get an A here I really wonder if you can shoot at all like getting rounds on the target I think I hurt your feelings again wha what wha. The best line of all time is Dirty Harrys. The Theory And Practice Of Israeli Carry - AmmoMan School of Guns Blog Glock Pockets - Pistols in Your Pocket | Officer If I was gona carry an empty gun Id carry a full sized 1911, that way if I had to throw it at somebody it would weigh enough to hurt when it him them. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Modern revolvers with some sort of disconnect can be carried full up. Stop all AR-15 and AR-10 calibers with this RTS Tactical level 3+ Armor Kit. Almost always comes back to the trigger. So anybody can mess with anybody here at any time, by pretending to be somebody else. The idea behind the floating firing pin is that if the firing pin is heavy enough, but made too short to actually be driven into the primer by the hammer, then when the hammer drops, the pin will be struck hard enough to give the pin enough of its own inertia to fire the round, yet then rebound to the rear. If soft iwb holster freaks you out then get a nice, quality leather or kydex holster. Glocks dont have an external safety because they were designed as a simple to operate as possible. When you thumb the hammer back for the first shot, it only rotates 1/12th or the way around instead of 1/6th. I really would like to know if theres a response to my comments. I will say this again: If other blogs can do it, then it can be done. People that just cant accept what someone else wants to do compared to what they feel is best for them smacks of their insecurity. The anti-GLOCK crowd and they are nothing if not noisy also raised the objection that since a striker-fired pistol is so easy to discharge (a simple pull of a relatively light trigger) then its inherently dangerous to have those guns in a home with small children. In some cases it's not legal. So the trigger pull is utterly irrelevant *if* you are paying attention to your firearm which you should be doing, again, with *any* firearm. Carry it in your home in the holster you're going to use in public, without a round in the chamber, but with the striker in the ready position or "cocked" and see if you have an issue with the trigger being pulled. The first Glock safety that you will interact with is the trigger safety, which takes the form of a spring-loaded lever located in the center of the trigger. Unlikely. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. There is at least one fully loaded firearm in every room of my house and my shop. I carry a single action 1911. So when does your Glock actually have a likely chance of discharging in those two most common klutz behaviors while handling a firearm? I have no issue using any of my Glocks as a SD gun, nor do I have any issue using any of my 1911s, any of my revolvers, or any of my other guns. The firearm entered Austrian military and police service by 1982 after becoming the top performer in reliability and safety tests.. Glock pistols have become the company's most profitable line of products, and have been supplied to . JavaScript is disabled. Thats all Colt added to the series 80, the internal firing pin block. Learn your own weapon and try not to drop it, the last thing you do might be a good catch. Why would anyone want only one of something? Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it. 7. Have you ever negligently failed to check your blind spot and cut someone off on the freeway? Stop buying Glocks. Amen! Glock and carrying with chambered round | Page 2 | SIG Talk Ask the famous Black Athlete Plaxico Burress that did that in a New York restaurant a number of years ago. If you 're considering a Glock handgun, make sure you have an armorer or gunsmith install it before trying to customize it. Um, Smith & Wesson doesnt use a transfer bar, they use a hammer block. Same here. So lets just say its a personal choice and your way isnt better than mine, but I will never accidently shoot my leg or foot. However, it is not unusual for some new to guns like Glocks to be concerned about carrying a round chambered. Love the Quigly Down Under reference. It is completely safe if you take the proper precautions. So F_____g what? Glocks can be dangerous When they tumble and fall and the natural instinct is to catch. I have yet to find a dumb ass vaccine. FNS9-C. You have to train how you'll fight and fight how you train. What is wrong with such ones is that they get a nice, warm, mushy, feeling of superiority over others by putting them down. It became the norm to carry with an empty chamber. I like having a gun ready to shoot but I need a second chance when Im juggling. Now, what about those darn useless novelty CCH badges? Because there are a lot of areas where carrying a firearm will bite you if you cant get it right. A loaded Glock is a little more dangerous than a striker with a heavier trigger and when you carry a missile behind the hammer and like a lite trigger , like I do , I advise people to carry a thumb safety , like I do . It still works now, so long as the comment page is more than three years old. These are: 1. which for them is unwise because it feels utterly unsafe to do so Thats a lot more true to life (in my admittedly inexperienced opinion) than most movies, especially westerns. A GLOCK is a striker fired pistol with about a 5.5-pound OEM trigger pull that has incorporated into the trigger--in the form of a lever--and when it is engaged blocks the trigger from moving rearward. Perhaps why they werent interested in this modification, even though the investor designed it to be visually unobtrusive and to require minimal modifications to the original design. I could be ELI2016 if I wanted to. Two motions will always be quicker than four, unless one can somehow arrange to do all four simultaneously. I dont condemn those who carry a striker with one in the chamber. So, as DG said, its a problem in search of a solution. And my Glock 17. , I never said I dont make mistakes I just never have with a gun hurt your feelings knute man up and get over it, Look what I found: I dont have to hit a bypass cause its cocked, or turn off a safety, just pump and fire. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[468,60],'guntradition_com-large-leaderboard-2','ezslot_2',112,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-leaderboard-2-0');I, as well as others, have tested and tried to get the Safe Action System, to fail but without actually modifying parts, we havent been able to. Prices accurate at time of writing. I carried a 1911 for awhile and the duty holsters made for 1911s have the retaining strap that goes across the back of slide, which also blocks the hammer from firing pin. Do you carry your Glock with a chambered round or not? Hmm that give away means youre at least in your 60s bordering on senility. All I get is replies that they are working on it. Considering how many types of expanding ammo my plethora of 1911s did not work very well with I gave up on them long ago. Often, its holstering the gun into a holster that compromised by clothing. Ok, maybe youre taking off your holster and you drop the whole dang thing on the floor. The 16 chamber cylinder is specifically a reference to Kevin Costner in Open Range. The full magazine has ten rounds, and the "+1" is the round that is in the chamber. The Gen 5 Glock pistol is the latest generation in the Glock household. That scenario is at least as plausible as a robbery. Thats when I started looking for a better way. Like a handgun, the defensive long gun should be secured in a safe or one of the wall-mounted quick-access locks. Why the Glock Model 48 is ideal for smaller cops - Police1 I couldve even been Ken again, like I was here years ago.
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